This month we interview long-time Quotit customer James Wale, President of Tricor Financial Group, Inc. whose offices are located in Irvine, CA. With over 30 years of insurance experience and licensed in 15 states, James tells us how Tricor Financial Group's "Passion for Success" keeps them ahead of the competition.
Quotit: Tell me a little about your agency and what insurance lines you market.
Wale: Tricor Financial Group is an estate and financial planning agency and we've been in business for about twenty nine years. Before we became Tricor, we were Wale and Company. As Wale and Co. we were primarily doing life, health, key man insurance and the other typical things you would find someone who was working with a life and disability license doing. When we started hiring outside brokers, we decided to become more of a marketing company and that is when we became Tricor Financial Group. Ultimately, we became a regional sales manager for various brokers and we had about 55 or 60 brokers at one time working with us. As we went through that process, I was still cultivating my own client base which was mostly high end business owners, physicians and attorneys. And we were doing financial planning for those guys.
Then in 2000 I was invited to Las Vegas for a Wellpoint Convention. Blue Cross was looking to get me to sell more individual and group business, so they invited me to this convention to see what was going on with that business. During the Convention, I got hooked up with John Rudy from Blue Cross, I got seated with a bunch of the guys from the Home Office at a very nice Black Tie affair. We were talking about what people were up to out there and I couldn't believe what people were involved in out there with a part of the business that I wasn't paying much attention to and that was individual business on the internet. After a long conversation with those guys, I decided that I was going to open a new division in Tricor. We were going after the internet market and we were going to go nationwide with it. We looked at several different providers and we liked that Quotit was local; we really had the sense that where we wanted to go was the same direction Quotit was headed. So we stepped in to this business with Quotit in June 2005. We hired some people, got 2000 square feet of office space and we started doing serious research on how to approach this market. We are now in about 19 states. In another four years we will be in 40 or 45 states, which is probably as far as we will go.
One thing I'm seeing with this business is that there are many different levels where you can get yourself in to the business and it will be profitable. If you work out of your house or if you are using this as a quoting system for your group clients, it works. You can do what we are doing now. Or, if you want to take it to the next step, which is where I want to take it, it will be like an e-health kind of a business. Now, I don't know if we will be in all fifty states and I really don't see the need to have our own quoting system; Quotit has already spent the money and the time to develop it. Really, Quotit has what I don't want to have.
Everybody has the same plans to offer at the same premiums. So we don't have a lot of opportunity there, but the one thing we do have to offer our customers is service. So we have really pushed our technology to improve our level of service in the internet division. We have state of the art servers, and have spent close to a million dollars in infrastructure in the last three years, so we have cutting edge stuff to give us the performance that we need to take the business to the level that we want. We have an underwriting department, we have a client services department, and we have a department that deals specifically with Cross Selling. We have eight people in our office and each one of them is licensed.
Quotit: What types of traditional marketing did you use?
Wale: We don't do any traditional marketing. We have done away with the traditional approach to the insurance market, buying leads and advertisements and so on. We find that, because the people we are looking for are internet savvy, they are not the people where you are going to go to their house to sell them a policy at the kitchen table, nor are they going to be looking in the yellow pages for a "local" agent. These are people that are going straight to the internet for their information. To my mind, we are not in the traditional insurance arena, we're in an arena where we sell insurance, but we are pretty much a marketing company. We have really focused on fine tuning the online marketing process. This past month we probably bought four to five thousand leads in addition to all of the pay per click advertising and other things we do. We generate 250 to 300 calls per day per individual here. This volume of calls works because of an incredible phone system that we purchased. This phone system allows us to look at what we are doing right and wrong and fine tune that by recording all of the calls and using the calls as training tools. Those are things that I decided to do right from the beginning and not cut corners and not to make mistakes that you don't know how to approach those mistakes to correct them.
Quotit: What is your process for managing visitors to your website; both leads that are driven there, as well as organic prospects?
Wale: When an individual comes to our site, we know as soon as he clicks "view plans", we get an email. As soon as we get that email, somebody here in the office will be in contact with them by phone. Starting with that call, we service that individual, to understand what they are looking for, we do not talk price. We try to find out what their needs are, what their frustrations are, how they are approaching the process, and then guide them through the system so they can see what they are looking for and then they can make a decision. Quotit is an incredible tool for that. When that individual then becomes a client, we follow through a clear set of steps, each department doing their job. We make sure that we are right with that individual until the policy is issued. Then to policy service where that individual is contacted by us and we discuss other services that we provide. Once he is a client, we make sure that he gets emails for different things during the course of the year so that we are in touch with them more than just once or twice. Now if that same individual comes through the system but they don't become a client for whatever reason, we cannot contact them for whatever reason, then they go in to a campaign that sets them up for an email and a dial and a mailer, it is a three pronged campaign. If we cannot contact them by phone after three tries, then we put them into an endless email and mailer campaign until they ask us to take them off list.
A few weeks ago in our Monday morning meeting, where we discuss any issues that are the staff is dealing with, something that was brought up was that we were starting to get a blurring between the new and old leads. The argument was that because we're talking to so many people we don't have the time to understand which campaign has more value for us. So this month we decided to evaluate that, we decided to do a test market on our database. So, we have not done any kind of advertisement whatsoever. We have just put our database in to our dialer and called every single individual, no email, just calling them. We have forty eight sales that are in issue today because of that. So that tells me that that database is worth keeping and working. Forty eight sales with just a little "Digging for diamonds." Now, we cannot have one system new leads or old leads without the other, it is a mixture, but you have to find that happy medium.
Quotit: What do you like to do in your spare time?
Wale: Well, I'm at the office at 8:00am and I'm out of the office around 8:30pm so Monday through Friday it's very focused work schedule for me. I set weekends as off and I have done that for the last fifteen years of my business. I made that clear when I got in to this business, I wouldn't work weekends. My original background is in commodities and in stocks, so I was involved for many years in that and I was working seven days a week 5am to 8pm, including Saturdays and Sundays. So when I moved in to this business, I decided that was not going to be the case. Look back ten years ago, I used to work six months and then travel six months. Traveling was my hobby. I've been everywhere and I've enjoyed it. When I got married we didn't have children for the first four years so during that time my wife and I did the same thing. Now, my children are my hobby. We have two sets of twins, the first set is six years old and the second set is turning two. So weekends we do things with them and we take one week out of every few months and we go somewhere. We usually go down to Cabo San Lucas; there is a resort out there we really love. We are very family oriented. Both my wife and I come from large families so we get together with them.
Quotit: Where do you see your agency heading in the next 5 years?
Wale: We have actually set our goals as 15 to 20 year goals. However, for the next five years, I see that we are just going to be buried up to our necks in this internet business. The internet is going to be where everything is going to be transacted I believe in the next ten to fifteen years. My generation is when the computer era began, but where we are focusing our attention is preparing for my children's generation. Right now, we are marketing strongly to the generation that is the 20-somethings, the Y generation. Those are the clients that we are working for today. I look at that base and I see what these guys are going to be doing when they are in their forties and fifties. For them, the internet won't be a novelty. Anything that they are going to buy from a song to insurance is going to be transacted through the internet. You have to be in this business as a business; not as a part time thing, not because that is what the trend is today, not because we will do it as a thing that will bring a little bit of business here but I'm still going to transact in this other arena. The arena of going in to the kitchen table and sitting with somebody and spending an hour is going to be obsolete. For many, that arena is already obsolete. Quotit is already seeing that.
There are a lot of people in this business that are very, very successful and the sad part is that a lot of them are saying why waste your money going to Texas to pick up an insurance sale when you have so many here locally. I explain to them that this is where the business is coming from and even though they cannot believe that I am writing so much business through the internet, they don't understand why I need to go outside of California. I see that in the future, that that is where all the sales are going to come from... the internet. The larger your coverage is, the more states you are in, in the next five years, the better your stability is going to be for the next twenty years. The smaller your internet footprint is today, the further behind you are getting in the larger game, that is because of contracts, because of the experience and expertise you are acquiring on a daily basis and it is because of sheer volume. Early on, I met with people like the CEO of eHealth, for example, who told me James, you are crazy not to do it. He was at that convention in Las Vegas and I met him and he said this is the business that is going to blow the doors off of anything else. They were still private and they were still struggling when I met them. A problem that I see in this industry if you are really going to play big is that you need to spend money on infrastructure. I know that this industry has a lot of people who are very smart and who will do the right thing, but there are a lot of people who don't want to spend $400 or $500 a month for Quotit because they think that they can have somebody do that work for them, or they are still using the rate books. So if they don't want to spend money on their careers, on their business on their infrastructure, how on earth are they going to be competitive in the long run?
Quotit: What would you like to say in closing?
Wale: This is an industry that is growing in leaps and bounds. I get very excited when I talk about insurance and health insurance and servicing the masses out there that are coming in to needing this product that we have. And I get very excited about the technology industry because it has allowed us to be extremely successful in a wider market than I could ever do before. And having people like Quotit as our partners is an incredible advantage for us because there is no way that we could have created what we have today; I'm talking about myself, without Quotit being equally committed to the internet, to progress, to what we are doing here. It really is a true partnership that has allowed me to do this.
I appreciate having the opportunity to speak with you. There are many out there that aren't willing to share because they think that the competition will kill them. It is the other way around, the competition is going to make this business thrive and grow.
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